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NHTSA's New Rules For 'Black Box' Recorders


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Back in April, we told you that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would soon require "black boxes", or event data recorders, on all new cars sold in the U.S. by the 2015 model year. Such recorders can already be found on 91.6% of vehicles in America -- including all GM, Ford, and Toyota models -- but they're there because automakers installed them to gather crash data, not because of a federal requirement.

Such a requirement was proposed to Congress as a part of S.B. 1813, which went on to become a part of the massive (and massively mangled) surface transportation bill that passed over the summer. However, we've given that bill a fairly thorough review, and we can't find any mention of event data recorders, so it looks as if plans to make them mandatory via the legislative branch may have tanked. (You're welcome to look over the bill yourself, though, and see if we missed something.)

NHTSA also tried issuing the requirement through the Obama administration, but according to Detroit News, the proposal hasn't moved beyond the esteemed desks of the White House Office of Management Budget.

But while NHTSA continues its efforts to make event data recorders mandatory, there's one thing we do know: on September 1, the agency will issue new regulations for the black boxes already being installed by manufacturers.

This is both good and bad, depending on how you look at it.

It's good if you're a safety fan. The new rules standardize not only the data collected by black box recorders, but also the way in which it's collected. Under the new guidelines, NHTSA will be able to compare data from all automakers and know that they're looking at apples and apples, not apples and oranges.

It's bad if you're an automaker -- though only slightly. Since most vehicles on the road already have black boxes, upgrading them is less expensive than installing a completely new piece of equipment.

However, there are negative implications for drivers, too. The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents automakers, says that some companies may disable their existing devices to avoid breaking NHTSA's new rules. Disabling wouldn't conflict with any rules since the devices aren't legally required.

So far, GM appears to be the only automaker planning anything like that. GM told Detroit News that it would disable some data collection on the Malibu and the Savanna, but that it wouldn't deactivate event recorders entirely.

The Alliance appealed to NHTSA to delay roll-out of the new regulations, but yesterday, NHTSA declined. The agency said that it had already adjusted the requirements to make things easier for automakers. Also, NHTSA finalized the new rules in 2006 and has already delayed their implementation by two years, so it would seem that automakers have probably had time to prepare.

We'll keep you posted on NHTSA's efforts to require data recorders as they progress.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...ut-september-1
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As long as they are only recording crash data and not tracking me every move I'm ok with these things.
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I'm gonna have to say, I dont care either way. I have nothing to hide and my phone tracks every move. I also use my phone as a dash cam. So its not like the govt cant see and hear everything I do in the car anyways.
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its always about safety isnt it. how much more erosion in the name of safety? Give me dangerous freedom over safe slavery any day of the week....
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its always about safety isnt it. how much more erosion in the name of safety? Give me dangerous freedom over safe slavery any day of the week....
This has nothing to do with safety. A car will not be safer because it has a little box to record how you total it. What it could do though is keep insurance costs down. If cars have a way to track what happened leading up to the accident, an investigation will show who is at fault and what they did to casue the problem. What it will most likely do though is allow insurance companies to refuse to pay due to negligence or drop more people for being unsafe drivers.
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I'm gonna have to say, I dont care either way. I have nothing to hide and my phone tracks every move. I also use my phone as a dash cam. So its not like the govt cant see and hear everything I do in the car anyways.
how do you get your phone to do that?

doesn't it just run out of battery within a few hours?
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how do you get your phone to do that?

doesn't it just run out of battery within a few hours?
I hook up the charger while recording. I'll take a picture of the setup when I get a chance. Also the app I use, AutoGuard, runs in the background with the screen off. It essintially works the same as most of the "black boxes" will (speed, location, "g-force") with the addition of video. It also acts as an emergency call system in the event of an accident. If enough force is detected it will automatically call whatever number you have set as an emergency contact.
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